5 Gb ipods that's what the rumor sites are talking about. Anything less than 8Gb. Apple is doomed. There is lot of positive reaction to the Zune even though its a Toshiba branded player. But there is another problem too for apple.
The full screen ipods that everyone wants apple to release are really hard to make, and look at the trouble they are having with the mac book pro. It has all kind of problems. So don't wish for something that you can't resist buying, because it will have more problems. because it will be revolutionary and because of the bad south Asia manufacturing standards.